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Triond, Helium & Associated Content Update

Back in January I uploaded an article on the three top sites where writers can submit articles and maybe get paid – Triond (Get Out From Under Debt and Stay That Way), , Helium, and Associated Content (How to Pay Off Your Debt and Live Debt Free in 3 Steps).

Although each site encourages at least some promotion, I’ve done none at all because I wanted to see what, if anything happened if I simply wrote the articles and let them sit there. Here’s what I’ve earned:

  1. Triond – 8 cents
  2. Associated Content – 99 cents just for submitting and I may have another 2 cents coming.

I had, of course, slightly different log ins and passwords on each system – their requirements, not mine – and had to retrieve both in all three cases.

Triond was the easiest; on request I was simply sent the password which worked.

Associated Content had me go through a fairly simply password reset procedure.

Helium requires I answer a security question I apparently picked when I signed up – my mother’s maiden name – and it’s not recognizing that. No clue if I mistyped in the beginning or it’s something else. I’ve sent a query to their help, but for now I can’t get in.

I’ve got to wonder at Helium’s seeming excessive security – I mean who is going to do what to my account? And I doubt if a security question solves any problem. I like Triond’s approach the best because it means I don’t have to go through any significant goat dance to retrieve my password, making their system again the easiest to use.

While waiting for Helium to send a password I explored Associated Content’s Assignments a bit. There are 35 assignments today. Most are requests for healthy food articles/recipes or Cinco de Mayo stuff. Pay offers range from $4 to pay by performance only. I hadn’t realized AC also accepted video clips. The two I looked at offered $5 each.

It’s been 20 minutes since I sent the request for password help to Helium and no response yet. This makes me want to eliminate Helium entirely! Ease of use is a must to make these systems even close to sustainable. I’m guessing the purchasers of articles will have about the same experience with each service.

Anyway, when and if I get a response from Helium, or even if I don’t by end of day, I’ll let you know.

I can see if you are willing to work these three systems you might get in a position to earn $500 or more per month on a residual basis – but you’ll have to promote and promote and it will take not only promo time but time for the income to build. I don’t know how long it would last. I suspect the more the articles you post have no dated material the better. In other words, making money this way requires an understanding of writing so-called evergreen material.

Again, I’d love to hear from anyone who has had any experience, good, bad, or indifferent.

Also in this series: Checking Up On HeliumAn Offer From Associated ContentWriting and Uploading Articles for Triond, Helium and Associated ContentAnne To Try Triond, Helium and Associated ContentTriond, Associated Content, Helium – One More Time


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  • Dominique

    GREAT INFO!! Thanks so much!

  • Melissa

    Extremely informative article. I learned a lot from the comments as well! Thank you.

  • Have you considered Demand Studios? It’s all informational articles and DS owns the rights to them. There is a lot to read before joining to make sure that they are right for you. They pay up to $20 an article, that’s why so many people want to jump on. Tip sheets are worth $3.50, fact sheets are worth $7.50, “about”, how-to, “lists” are worth $15, and titles that YOU suggest are worth $5. Occasionally you’ll find a $20 article.

    You can check out a blog that I wrote on MySpace about it for a friend who was considering signing up.

    MySpace Blog: Demand Studios

  • Jana

    Anne – I would never turn rich down. 🙂

  • Jana

    I am a published fiction author (big NY publisher) and a full-time technical writer, so I DO make my living writing and “I” signed up for Associated Content. Guess that makes me a reject?

    The reality is, we all do things for different reasons and it is really no one else’s place to label someone or their situation. I want to try writing non-fiction in a shorter format without the pressure of a deadline or a contract. I have enough of those already. And there are plenty of things I’d like to write about that don’t fit into my technical writing job or my novels.

    I don’t expect to get rich – I expect to learn more about writing and myself.

    • Anne

      well said, although I suspect we can learn to get rich too.

  • Nikki

    It is definitely tactless to label individuals as “rejects” when the world is so vast and full of people from all walks of life. So, you cannot simply assume that a bunch of “rejects” is the makeup of people who write for such sites as AC and the like. Sure, the word “reject” might well be your own personal experience or that of someone you know. But you are just one person in one locale and of one individual experience of life. I personally have taken on writing for profit as a way to use my own natural skills as a means to earn some extra cash while I pursue other endeavors. You have to realize that some people are skilled writers and may not choose to make a profession of it. And then there are others who are less skilled, but might have a desire to write as a “professional”. At AC, Helium, and Triond, they don’t care much about your credentials or even your skills as a writer. What they care about is whether or not you can attract the Search Engines to their website and keep money coming into their site.

  • Aysha

    I honestly have no idea how much yearly residuals would be. With all the other factors, it’s hard to guess. But as I’m averaging 25$ a month, i would have to guess about 300$ a year.

    As far as winning contests and submitting to other markets, your right. I never bother with the contests there anymore. However, winning those contests was my first confidence boost, which then led me to higher markets.

    At this point in my career I would not waste my time writing for any of the contests. But I sure was excited the first few times I won!

    • Anne

      Yeah, I’ve won some contests in my day… I think I may still have “Award Winning Writer/Editor” on my credit list.

      Thanks for guessing re the residuals.

  • AYsha

    Just my 2 cents and a little info for comparison…..

    I’ve tried some of those sites, and the only one im not completely disgusted with is Helium. I started at Helium as a newbie and it gave me enough confidence and experience to become a true freelance writer (at least according to this years tax stuff.)

    The benefit of Helium is the marketplace and contest areas, which can be great experience for newcomers. I have 189 articles on Helium and I’ve made a little over 1,100$ in about two years. However, thats a combination of residuals, marketplace sales and contest awards.

    I now average about 25$ a month from residuals. SO it’s no way to get rich, but so far it was a good experience that has given me a little pocket money.

    Anyway, to date, my average article earning would be about 5.80 per.

    • Anne

      AYsha – how much roughly a year in residuals? If you’re willing to tell us. And I would guess if you’re winning contests over there you could be successful submitting to higher paying markets, maybe much higher paying.

  • Let’s be clear here – none of these sites are aimed at professional, talented writers. They attract writing rejects who have had their work declined by traditional markets. Unfortunately, the terminology these sites use, i.e. ‘publish’, creates communities of deluded people who believe that they are writing for a living – they are in fact content whores, putting words together which advertisers can hang their hyperlinks from.
    I’ve dabbled a little myself, but my most popular article, http://sportales.com/soccer/epl-premiership-predictions-2009-2010/ has made $3 for over 3,000 views. Articles like http://webupon.com/search-engines/google-suggest-the-weird-and-wonderful-world-of-autocompletion/ languish at $0.18. Nobody should ever confuse it with real freelancing, or think that it is a path to riches.

    • Anne

      I’d agree Helium, Triond, Associated Content etc. are not the way to get rich. I’m not sure, however, it’s fair to say they only attract rejects from traditional markets. I’m sure there’s some of that… I’d say they attract new writers who are comfortable with computers and the net. A few of those who publish there (and yeah, the definition of publish has certainly expanded) will go on to have solid freelance careers because they will develop ways to market themselves effectively and their writing skills will get better. The rest will be content with the $2 or $3. An even smaller number will turn the small dollars into residual income, perhaps in the 100s of dollars for awhile.

  • Nikki, go to http://www.demandstudios.com. They pay $15 per article. I just found them. You shouldn’t have to work for slave wages, no matter what your situation is.

    Eve Lopez’s last blog post..Demand Studios – $15 per 400-Word Article

    • Anne

      good info Eve.

    • I am working as a freelance writer for 2 years but unfortunately I can’t collect good amount since I am working. Could anyone help me, what to do?
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      • Anne

        Maria, the first thing if you want to write in English is to improve your writing skills. Hard truth, but your first sentence in this comment reveals that English is your second language. Or you’ll need an editor before you submit. Or you may be able to write for pay in your first language.

  • Nikki

    Like I said…

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe nobody else can relate to being a single mother of a baby and a school age child. And not able to get a job because the economy is at an all time low… Living with people who want to put you in a shelter because they can’t remember what it’s like to have a hard time acquiring a job. Thank God if you have never been in a situation that you need income so you have no other choice but to accept what you can get. You are truly blessed if you’ve never had to experience this.

  • While it’s very true that I am very new to the freelance writing thing, I simply cannot believe that writers are actually accepting $3 per article. That’s insane. At my last company, we paid $49 per article to an outsourcing company, and at least $15 went straight to the writer. And I thought that was way low.

    Writers – we are accepting less than minimum wage for our hard work. WHY?

    Eve Lopez’s last blog post..Make Money by Writing at Home! Yeah, Right!

    • Anne

      Eve, it is insane unless you’re in Bangladesh or other third world countries and then the English may not work. Why writers in the United States accept less than minimum is a mystery to me.

  • Hi, I found this website while searching Google to find info. about Triond… because I have been writing for AC for almost 2 months now and my results have been somewhat disappointing (compared to the great reviews I had read by veteran members). Of course, I know that it is different when you need the money and when you are just doing it for extra cash. I thought it was a God-send, until they offered me $3 for the first article I wrote.

    Darlene, you are doing well to be offered $4. The most that I have ever been offered is $3, and I am a talented artist. That’s not my ego talking either. This is coming from teachers in school… Writing is a natural talent of mine. (All though, I did slack on my quality once AC started offering me .99 and $2 for articles that took me 30 minutes to write,edit,and submit).

    I consider Associated Content to be like a game… you are playing with them… trying to figure out how they choose how much to pay you and which articles to accept for upfront payment.

    To be honest, the only reason that I continue to write for them is because I am unemployed and desperate for cash. If I didn’t need the cash, I would not give them Exclusive rights to any of my articles. They have paid me .99 – $3 for articles and their comment is either “topic is not unique” and recently, they don’t leave a comment at all.

    If you have a job and are not desperate for cash, then it is a waste to write for any of those sites. You can make a huge income online, building your own Niche site, and you don’t have to invest one dime. Just learn SEO and write gobs and gobs of articles for yourself. Then just put Adsense on your site and you will get way more money than writing for AC , Triond, or Helium.

    So, if you don’t absolutely need them money (like me), then I suggest you getting a free blog like this from Blogger.com. And then write an article archive for YOURSELF … promote YOU and you will make far more money than you will ever make if you continue to write for those sharks.

  • I just recently joined Helium and have been considering Associated Content, but I’m not sure any of these sites are worth the effort. As with other writers who have commented, I quickly became disenchanted with Helium after one long day rating articles. The writing was atrocious: poor spelling, grammar and punctuation; yet many of these poorly written articles were rated high. Many of the titles requested confound me; for example, they require a minimum of 400 words on the topic, “Can you see ultraviolet light?” Would they like me to answer “no” in 400 languages, perhaps? (Yes, certainly I could expound on the properties of UV light, but that is not the requested title.) It should also be noted that creative writing, while accepted, is not well nurtured on these sites, nor will you earn any money with such work.

  • admin

    I truly don’t see building a career around sites like these. I suppose it could be done, but I really think if you can make a bit of money at AC, Triond or Helium, you can make more money marketing yourself directly.

  • I remember why I pulled my articles from AC. They wanted to buy them for something like $4 each, which is ridiculous. So I said adios!

  • I joined Triond about a week ago. I’ve written 8 articles in that time, and earned 17 cents so far. I think if you submit enough articles, you can do OK. You can’t expect to earn much if you don’t submit articles. It builds over time, like Suite101 does.

    I wrote for Suite101 for a while. I have about 30 articles that have been up since last July and August, and I made $50 from them last month. I stopped writing for them last November because of a disagreement over using photos, which they require. I spent more time getting photos than I did writing, which was a pain. Then an editor flagged an article and removed my photos because she didn’t think I could use pix from Istockphoto. Don’t know what she thinks Istockphoto is for. She got rather nasty in emails she sent outside the suite system, and even accused me of stealing the photos and not having an account with Istock! I was floored, to say the least, and decided it wasn’t worth the hassle to continue writing for them. Too bad, because I think I could make some serious money with them. But I’ll keep getting the $40-50 a month from them every month regardless of whether I continue to write for them or not.

    I wrote a few things for Associated Content, but got disenchanted and pulled my articles and put them on Suite. Can’t remember why. I think it was something about who owned the articles, maybe.

    I only done one article for eHow.com (posted yesterday) so far and made $.17 already. So I’ll be doing a LOT more for them!

    I have a few hubs up at HubPages. Haven’t made anything, but I haven’t done much with it either for months. I need to get some more hubs up, but I also write for EzineArticles to promote my affiliate websites, so it’s hard to do it all! I’m getting faster as a writer, though!

    My goal for this year was to make my mortgage payment each month, and I’m already halfway there.

    You have to write evergreen content and pay attention to those keywords. VERY important to get page views.

  • admin

    Interesting and helpful Marisa, thanks

  • admin

    Thanks Jim… I’ll be updating this post tomorrow.

  • Hi Anne,

    I would give you your security answer here but then it wouldn’t be a security answer would it ;-). My name is Jim Logan and I run customer service at Helium. We pride ourselves in direct and personalized responses from the help desk at Helium. With tens of thousands of users logging in monthly, we believe that this is a high standard to support. We also usually respond within hours of an inquiry but ask for 48 hours for those times where we are buried with email.

    As for the security issue, we are quite serious about this here. It has to do with the fact that our privacy policies become compromised if someone gains access to your account. There are measures in place to avoid having earnings requested but it is not outside the realm of feasibility should someone hack your account.

    To date we are proud to state that no one has managed to access an account that is not theirs (knock on wood). We believe that if access to money is related to the login to an account, that we should protect the account to the best of our ability. I am sorry for the delay you were experiencing I hope that your situation is resolved. If not please write me using my first name initial and last name @helium.com and I will deal with it as quickly as I can .

  • Right now Helium has been seeking writers to write Real Estate articles for a publisher. The articles are listed in the Marketplace and pay $200 a region if selected by the publisher. The next 25 selected for each region is $10 and the next 26 to 50 is $5.

    All in all, this particular publisher is placing $22,000 for these articles. I did mine last week and I believe the deadline may be today.

    Besides the residuals received for placing on the Helium site, many writers just write for the marketplace and not get involved with the rest of the site.

  • I’m using Tiond, so far it’s been 4 months, I’ve sent 4 articles and I earned 27 cents. Woohoo.

    I also decided to make my own blog instead, although I haven’t really gotten how to make it make money…. hm.

    Roxanne’s last blog post..Freaky Friday Ritz Style

  • Wrytyr

    One more thing; my articles tend to be evergreen.

  • Wrytyr

    I write for AC. If I let my articles just “sit there,” I’ll collect $400 per month in page view bonuses. You have to work AC to make it work for you. I don’t promote; I can’t figure out how to utilize the social network sites. I also heard that in order to promote on them, you must be active in their community or your articles will get banned. This amounts to time investment. So I decided to just sit back and see what happens. I want my monthly page view bonus to be $1,000, so hence, I continue to pump up my article volume. AC works, but it takes time to get up there. I was once at 2 cents bonus, too. I don’t sell my articles to AC anymore; I submit for no payment. This allows me to tweak articles if they aren’t bringing in high page views.

  • Lisa

    Do you know anything about suite101? I keep seeing ads for their site as well.

  • Meg

    I have signed up with a couple of these kind of sites in the past, but I’ve since decided that if I’m going to promote myself for a share of profits, I’d rather write on my blog and make 100% of the adsense pennies.

    Meg’s last blog post..Bosphorus

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