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	<title>Comments on: 3 Reasons Why The Content Mill Debate May Be Important</title>
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		<title>By: Calissa Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calissa Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2011 16:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll request you to reveal your true self &quot;Bob&quot;, before I choose to encourage any more left handed comments from you. When I hear from someone who would try to tell other people that they can&#039;t write, it just makes me shake my head a little and go on reading the passionate, the skilled, the wonderful world of writers that are out there, thankfully encouraged by others to write their little hearts out. 

Because the world would be an ugly place without the seven-year-old girl writing poetry in a blog, or the 70-year-old woman writing a column for a tiny website about her crochet. 

I&#039;ll let readers decide what they want to read. 

A troll by any other name...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll request you to reveal your true self &#8220;Bob&#8221;, before I choose to encourage any more left handed comments from you. When I hear from someone who would try to tell other people that they can&#8217;t write, it just makes me shake my head a little and go on reading the passionate, the skilled, the wonderful world of writers that are out there, thankfully encouraged by others to write their little hearts out. </p>
<p>Because the world would be an ugly place without the seven-year-old girl writing poetry in a blog, or the 70-year-old woman writing a column for a tiny website about her crochet. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll let readers decide what they want to read. </p>
<p>A troll by any other name&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your honesty. But my honest reaction is that you&#039;re missing the point. That you&#039;d rather read writing from the heart than something by an &quot;elite writer&quot; is curious. That you didn&#039;t mention once the idea that beautiful, clear, evocative, powerful, and poetic writing is an integral part of our country&#039;s own art history, and a longstanding tradition going back centuries. And it&#039;s now being dismantled, blog by &quot;from the heart&quot; blog, because everyone now feels like they can write and damn the technicalities of grammar, syntax, logic, and clarity. Ever think about what happens to books and ebooks when everyone thinks they can be a writer? Same thing that happens to photography when everyone thinks they can take pictures, and to music when everyone thinks they can sing. (Thank you American Idol.)

To people who actually care about the art and soul of good writing, this dismantling is a brutal disappointment. Then again, if you are amused, as you say, by real writers bemoaning the decline of writing, perhaps you are amused by people losing their jobs, species extinction, degraded self-esteem, and a loss of artistic integrity on a national scale. Or maybe you&#039;re just easily amused. Perhaps this is why you read all those blogs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your honesty. But my honest reaction is that you&#8217;re missing the point. That you&#8217;d rather read writing from the heart than something by an &#8220;elite writer&#8221; is curious. That you didn&#8217;t mention once the idea that beautiful, clear, evocative, powerful, and poetic writing is an integral part of our country&#8217;s own art history, and a longstanding tradition going back centuries. And it&#8217;s now being dismantled, blog by &#8220;from the heart&#8221; blog, because everyone now feels like they can write and damn the technicalities of grammar, syntax, logic, and clarity. Ever think about what happens to books and ebooks when everyone thinks they can be a writer? Same thing that happens to photography when everyone thinks they can take pictures, and to music when everyone thinks they can sing. (Thank you American Idol.)</p>
<p>To people who actually care about the art and soul of good writing, this dismantling is a brutal disappointment. Then again, if you are amused, as you say, by real writers bemoaning the decline of writing, perhaps you are amused by people losing their jobs, species extinction, degraded self-esteem, and a loss of artistic integrity on a national scale. Or maybe you&#8217;re just easily amused. Perhaps this is why you read all those blogs?</p>
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		<title>By: Calissa Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calissa Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 16:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to ask... what&#039;s the problem?

People have been writing for ages, some have definable qualities and others do not. What about the bloggers who review the news? Or the small website owner who loves gardening and shares her secrets? They post ads as well, is it taking away from the article in the New York Times about gardening or the news? 

Some could say those who are writing about what they love without selling out at all are the quality writers, not the ones working at $1000 an article, the same article sharing space with provocative advertising.

But honestly, what is the problem? Are &quot;quality&quot; writers upset that there&#039;s a place out there paying for writing that aren&#039;t the rates they would accept? If that&#039;s the case, why are they giving it the time of day? Are they complaining that writers are underpaid? What defines underpaid? Some swear they earn less than minimum wage at content mills, but perhaps they&#039;re slow writers. (And last time I checked, most who worked at content mills earned an average of $10 an hour or more, above minimum wage. And slave wages are an inaccurate term, as slaves weren&#039;t paid.)

Are they mad that when they write an article, that article is five pages below on Google from the number one spot, a blogger post?

Does it mean &quot;goodbye to quality&quot; or is it redefining quality? I think readers determine quality, not the writers. They vote with their views and subscriptions. 

If traditional journalism folks aren&#039;t happy because they aren&#039;t getting the readership as their &quot;less than elite&quot; fellows, maybe it&#039;s the readership redefining what they want, not the content providers or the writers.

On a side note, I find the &quot;elite writers&quot; rather amusing. They always talk about skill, and how hard it is to write an article of quality. I just think of all the crap I&#039;ve read about &quot;walk the pounds away&quot; in Women&#039;s World magazine or the fluff I read from the newspaper about &quot;raising your kids&quot;, the same fluff I wrote when I worked in the newspaper industry, and comparing it to someone online who blogged about something they loved and put ample more research and real data into the post.

I honestly don&#039;t think I&#039;ll miss elite writers complaining about lack of quality over reading something totally from the heart from a blogger.

But that&#039;s my choice in what I choose to read, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to ask&#8230; what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
<p>People have been writing for ages, some have definable qualities and others do not. What about the bloggers who review the news? Or the small website owner who loves gardening and shares her secrets? They post ads as well, is it taking away from the article in the New York Times about gardening or the news? </p>
<p>Some could say those who are writing about what they love without selling out at all are the quality writers, not the ones working at $1000 an article, the same article sharing space with provocative advertising.</p>
<p>But honestly, what is the problem? Are &#8220;quality&#8221; writers upset that there&#8217;s a place out there paying for writing that aren&#8217;t the rates they would accept? If that&#8217;s the case, why are they giving it the time of day? Are they complaining that writers are underpaid? What defines underpaid? Some swear they earn less than minimum wage at content mills, but perhaps they&#8217;re slow writers. (And last time I checked, most who worked at content mills earned an average of $10 an hour or more, above minimum wage. And slave wages are an inaccurate term, as slaves weren&#8217;t paid.)</p>
<p>Are they mad that when they write an article, that article is five pages below on Google from the number one spot, a blogger post?</p>
<p>Does it mean &#8220;goodbye to quality&#8221; or is it redefining quality? I think readers determine quality, not the writers. They vote with their views and subscriptions. </p>
<p>If traditional journalism folks aren&#8217;t happy because they aren&#8217;t getting the readership as their &#8220;less than elite&#8221; fellows, maybe it&#8217;s the readership redefining what they want, not the content providers or the writers.</p>
<p>On a side note, I find the &#8220;elite writers&#8221; rather amusing. They always talk about skill, and how hard it is to write an article of quality. I just think of all the crap I&#8217;ve read about &#8220;walk the pounds away&#8221; in Women&#8217;s World magazine or the fluff I read from the newspaper about &#8220;raising your kids&#8221;, the same fluff I wrote when I worked in the newspaper industry, and comparing it to someone online who blogged about something they loved and put ample more research and real data into the post.</p>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll miss elite writers complaining about lack of quality over reading something totally from the heart from a blogger.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s my choice in what I choose to read, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: annew</title>
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		<dc:creator>annew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Bill the mills or farms can be a place to start, but if you get reasonably good there jump out as fast as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Bill the mills or farms can be a place to start, but if you get reasonably good there jump out as fast as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 01:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now here I am one of the &quot;content mill&quot; babies who cut their teeth being introduced to online writing via those companies. While I do admit their are a wide range of people writing for those sites because it is one of, or the only, ways to feed and house themselves - the problem isn&#039;t the writers. The problem is that the content mills promote themselves as a path to being a real writer. 

Another problem is that most content writers get stuck in these mills and don&#039;t see that there is a way to work themselves up to higher and better work with effort. As with any occupation writing involves consistent learning to grow and gain a higher position. Many believe that they can be happy working for lower rates because they don&#039;t see the need to improve. The &#039;elite&#039; writers consider this either lazy or unprofessional; what if there is just no need to get better? Content mill writers don&#039;t have a boss, nor do they have the hassle of regular jobs but they do have regular pay - this is the allure of content mills. You don&#039;t have to look for work because you already have it. 

The content mills have become the Walmarts of the writing world. They have created the 21st Century version of the early 20th Century piece-work factory. As long as you turn out work that meets requirements, you get paid. You quickly learn what level of work is needed and what expectations are in relation to the pay scale. And how to match your work to those factors. That is how you get the generic content spewing out now. 

It&#039;s not the writers, it&#039;s the business model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now here I am one of the &#8220;content mill&#8221; babies who cut their teeth being introduced to online writing via those companies. While I do admit their are a wide range of people writing for those sites because it is one of, or the only, ways to feed and house themselves &#8211; the problem isn&#8217;t the writers. The problem is that the content mills promote themselves as a path to being a real writer. </p>
<p>Another problem is that most content writers get stuck in these mills and don&#8217;t see that there is a way to work themselves up to higher and better work with effort. As with any occupation writing involves consistent learning to grow and gain a higher position. Many believe that they can be happy working for lower rates because they don&#8217;t see the need to improve. The &#8216;elite&#8217; writers consider this either lazy or unprofessional; what if there is just no need to get better? Content mill writers don&#8217;t have a boss, nor do they have the hassle of regular jobs but they do have regular pay &#8211; this is the allure of content mills. You don&#8217;t have to look for work because you already have it. </p>
<p>The content mills have become the Walmarts of the writing world. They have created the 21st Century version of the early 20th Century piece-work factory. As long as you turn out work that meets requirements, you get paid. You quickly learn what level of work is needed and what expectations are in relation to the pay scale. And how to match your work to those factors. That is how you get the generic content spewing out now. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the writers, it&#8217;s the business model.<br />
<span class="cluv">Bill recently posted..<a class="e781558659 20728" href="http://littlewritingcompany.com/?p=16">Welcome</a><span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip  20728" alt="My Profile" style="border:0" width="16" height="14" src="http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ann Wilmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Wilmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Angela. Content mills are not only contributing to, even encouraging poor writing but they are  devaluing what we do. They not only make writing clients think we should give it away but making many beginners think that they have to. Reminds me of when my father cautioned me that there was &quot;no need to buy the cow if she would give milk for free.&quot;

I remember when my sole writing goal was to make $500 for a single article. It&#039;s much harder now and unless I am much mistaken the cost of living has gone up and not down. 

It&#039;s true that not everyone should be a writer, and I have seen writing on the web and in print that is worth about what these content mills pay. Professionals just cannot crank out crap; we have standards. However, not everyone who wants to call themselves a publisher be in the business of buying writing either.

A newspaper editor I knew (and newspapers are notoriously cheap when it comes to pay) told me roughly 30 years ago that if I couldn&#039;t make $20/hour on a writing gig, it was a waste of my time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Angela. Content mills are not only contributing to, even encouraging poor writing but they are  devaluing what we do. They not only make writing clients think we should give it away but making many beginners think that they have to. Reminds me of when my father cautioned me that there was &#8220;no need to buy the cow if she would give milk for free.&#8221;</p>
<p>I remember when my sole writing goal was to make $500 for a single article. It&#8217;s much harder now and unless I am much mistaken the cost of living has gone up and not down. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that not everyone should be a writer, and I have seen writing on the web and in print that is worth about what these content mills pay. Professionals just cannot crank out crap; we have standards. However, not everyone who wants to call themselves a publisher be in the business of buying writing either.</p>
<p>A newspaper editor I knew (and newspapers are notoriously cheap when it comes to pay) told me roughly 30 years ago that if I couldn&#8217;t make $20/hour on a writing gig, it was a waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who would like to work from home and be a freelancer I enjoy content sites like demand studios. However as someone who does the majority of his research (for hobbies and just general things not work) I despise content mills. Type a question into a search engine and the first page is filled with content mill sites. Well the question might be what is the big deal? The big deal is the quality. I firsthand know of the poor quality that a lot of the articles are (not all) . When doing research I often come across an article where it was clearly written by someone who knows less than me on the subject. So I do like the work from content mills but really hate their flood the search engine results effect. 

What&#039;s even more funny is lately I have been noticing that people who read content mill sites will later try to argue a point by saying they read it in an article. When I find out what article and where it was published :facepalm:.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who would like to work from home and be a freelancer I enjoy content sites like demand studios. However as someone who does the majority of his research (for hobbies and just general things not work) I despise content mills. Type a question into a search engine and the first page is filled with content mill sites. Well the question might be what is the big deal? The big deal is the quality. I firsthand know of the poor quality that a lot of the articles are (not all) . When doing research I often come across an article where it was clearly written by someone who knows less than me on the subject. So I do like the work from content mills but really hate their flood the search engine results effect. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s even more funny is lately I have been noticing that people who read content mill sites will later try to argue a point by saying they read it in an article. When I find out what article and where it was published :facepalm:.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 14:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina and Bob, yes there&#039;s a seemingly infinite amount of useless words on the &#039;net - but there is an amazing amount of good stuff too. And I find it usually not to difficult to locate with a thoughtful search on google. I have to be my own quality filter, but that was true before the net as well. The volume of stuff was less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina and Bob, yes there&#8217;s a seemingly infinite amount of useless words on the &#8216;net &#8211; but there is an amazing amount of good stuff too. And I find it usually not to difficult to locate with a thoughtful search on google. I have to be my own quality filter, but that was true before the net as well. The volume of stuff was less.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Gina,
Your question, even if rhetorical, is a good one. There is no real value, only a perceived one. When Content Providers fill up cyberspace with their words, they are basically doing just that. They generally have no credentials, no particular skill, and no real aspiration of becoming an artist. They are carrying out the act of writing as if it were an assembly line job, not an art, which you and I feel it is. I am sorry it is this way, and fear that it will not ever be the way it used to be, at least for most of us. The quality filter is gone, and now we are left with millions and millions of words online that, like you said, &quot;waste our mindless time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gina,<br />
Your question, even if rhetorical, is a good one. There is no real value, only a perceived one. When Content Providers fill up cyberspace with their words, they are basically doing just that. They generally have no credentials, no particular skill, and no real aspiration of becoming an artist. They are carrying out the act of writing as if it were an assembly line job, not an art, which you and I feel it is. I am sorry it is this way, and fear that it will not ever be the way it used to be, at least for most of us. The quality filter is gone, and now we are left with millions and millions of words online that, like you said, &#8220;waste our mindless time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a balance. From threshing machines to over-industrialization, there is now a fierce monopoly on our food supply and health. I would travel half the world to eat a pie off a small farm than be forced to choke one down from Walmart. 

I am tired of being forced-fed contrived, redundant, recycled &quot;articles&quot; on the Internet. Is that liberty? Is that what we are creating with our freedom? A bunch of wasted mindless time? Must I keep seeing claims from  &quot;writers&quot; who brag about churning out at least three researched articles per hour? Come on. Where is the real value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a balance. From threshing machines to over-industrialization, there is now a fierce monopoly on our food supply and health. I would travel half the world to eat a pie off a small farm than be forced to choke one down from Walmart. </p>
<p>I am tired of being forced-fed contrived, redundant, recycled &#8220;articles&#8221; on the Internet. Is that liberty? Is that what we are creating with our freedom? A bunch of wasted mindless time? Must I keep seeing claims from  &#8220;writers&#8221; who brag about churning out at least three researched articles per hour? Come on. Where is the real value?</p>
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